{"href":"https://api.simplecast.com/oembed?url=https%3A%2F%2F1958lawyer.com%2Fepisodes%2Fgary-savine-the-hidden-risks-of-growing-a-law-firm-xw4RUugp","width":444,"version":"1.0","type":"rich","title":"Gary Savine: The Hidden Risks of Growing a Law Firm","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_url":"https://image.simplecastcdn.com/images/b5615a51-e55c-4720-b4a1-43ef9e349b7f/f7ed5ada-1e53-4bc3-b871-79a2ebba9951/podcast-art.jpg","thumbnail_height":300,"provider_url":"https://simplecast.com","provider_name":"Simplecast","html":"","height":200,"description":"Hiring your first employee feels like growth — until it turns into a lawsuit, an insurance nightmare, or a compliance mess you didn’t see coming. Today, Gary Savine joins us to talk about building a law firm that’s not just profitable, but protected, scalable, and actually sellable. Gary, let’s start here — what’s the biggest risk firms take before they even realize they’ve taken it? \n\nWhy should business owners involve an employment lawyer before making their first hire?\nWhat do most firms misunderstand about PEOs and co-employment arrangements?\nHow can indemnity clauses quietly shift liability back to the business owner?\nWhat compliance risks come with offshoring employees or contractors?\nWhy doesn’t labeling someone a “contractor” guarantee protection under foreign law?\nWhat exactly does EPLI cover — and what do most firms get wrong about their policies?\nWhy can defense costs alone financially cripple a business?\nWhat does “eroding coverage” mean, and why does it matter as firms grow?\nWhat are insurers really looking for before offering strong EPLI coverage?\nHow can updated policies, manager training, and recordkeeping lower both risk and premiums?\nWhat does it take to turn a solo practice into a scalable, saleable firm?\nWhy is building systems now critical for layering AI and future growth?\nHow is private equity changing the legal landscape?\nWhat mindset shift do younger attorneys need if they want long-term success?\n\nThat’s all for today! Big thanks to Gary Savine for breaking down the legal, insurance, and strategic foundations every firm needs to grow safely and sustainably. If you want to build a business that’s more than just “a lawyer with a desk,” this is an episode worth revisiting.\n\nIf you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe, leave a review, and share it with a colleague who’s building their firm for the long haul. Thanks for listening, and we’ll see you next time.\n\n\n\nAbout Gary Savine: Gary Noah Savine founded Savine Employment Law, Ltd. to help job creators manage and litigate employment-related legal issues so that they can stay focused on their businesses and protect what they have built. Gary brings more than two decades of legal expertise and hands-on experience, working around the globe, shoulder-to-shoulder with senior executives and human resource professionals, solving the thorniest of workplace issues. Gary received his law degree cum laude from the University of Michigan Law School and his Bachelor of Arts with high honors in Political Economy from James Madison College at Michigan State University.\n\n\n\nConnect with Gary Savine:\n\nWebsite: https://savinelaw.com\n\nFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/SavineEmploymentLaw/\n\nLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/savine-employment-law-ltd./\n\nX: https://twitter.com/savinelawTo contact Gary about a complimentary EPLI review, schedule time for a call with him at: https://calendly.com/riley-savinelaw/15min\n\n\n\nConnect with Ron Bockstahler:\n\nEmail: ronb@amataoffices.com\n\nLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronbockstahler/\n\nCompany website: https://amatacorp.com/\n\n“Don't Lose Your Balance” book: https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Lose-Your-Balance-Business/dp/1964046467\n\n\n\nShow notes by Team Podcastologist\n\nAudio production by Turnkey Podcast Productions. You're the expert. Your podcast will prove it. "}