{"href":"https://api.simplecast.com/oembed?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbelieve-in-your-office.simplecast.com%2Fepisodes%2Fjohn-and-josh-round-2-jXyUcclD","width":444,"version":"1.0","type":"rich","title":"The Office Is Changing — And It's More Interesting Than You Think (Round 2)","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_url":"https://image.simplecastcdn.com/images/4ea12242-a330-4de3-bbdf-204552004316/ab087c15-7bc8-486d-83e8-01f17b938c09/believe-20in-20your-20office-20podcast-20cover.jpg","thumbnail_height":300,"provider_url":"https://simplecast.com","provider_name":"Simplecast","html":"","height":200,"description":"In this fan-favorite format, co-hosts Josh and John go solo — and the conversation ends up being one of the most practical and entertaining episodes in the show's run.\nIt starts, as many of the best conversations do, somewhere completely unrelated to office furniture. There's a DoorDash driver mistaken for an intruder, a machete, a pizza sent two hours in the wrong direction, and a tangent about paying cash for things that somehow lands on the entire philosophy of financial discipline. And then — as always — it gets back to the office.\nWhat rooms in the office are essentially extinct? The file room with the rolling track shelves. The 40-person boardroom. The massive L-shaped corner workstation built to hold a CRT monitor the size of a small refrigerator. John and Josh walk through how the office has physically transformed over the past 25 years — what disappeared, what came back, and what's showing up now that nobody expected.\nThey dig into the felt-topped cubicle ceiling (yes, it's a real thing, and it works), why acoustic privacy is the new design challenge, how lighting has transformed from fluorescent buzz to app-controlled zone lighting, and why building an office with furniture instead of construction walls is smarter — legally, financially, and practically — than most business owners realize.\nThere's also a genuinely interesting conversation about open plan vs. private office and why the cycle keeps repeating itself. Plus: hacky sacks are back, and Boomerang should put their logo on one."}