{"href":"https://api.simplecast.com/oembed?url=https%3A%2F%2Fproductbreakfastclub.simplecast.com%2Fepisodes%2F48-how-to-be-a-product-leader-scott-bdf27a39","width":444,"version":"1.0","type":"rich","title":"48: How to be a Product Leader - SCOTT BELSKY","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_url":"https://image.simplecastcdn.com/images/d9ce92/d9ce92f8-5b71-44a2-9518-d6dd82b74664/647add92-b6a1-485f-98a9-6627025b02b0/1538236002artwork.jpg","thumbnail_height":300,"provider_url":"https://simplecast.com","provider_name":"Simplecast","html":"<iframe src=\"https://player.simplecast.com/647add92-b6a1-485f-98a9-6627025b02b0\" height=\"200\" width=\"100%\" title=\"48: How to be a Product Leader - SCOTT BELSKY\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"></iframe>","height":200,"description":"Jonathan interviews Scott Belsky, founder of Behance and currently Adobe's Chief Product Officer and Executive Vice President of Creative Cloud, and only asks him questions that were sent in by you, the listener! _Just kidding_, Jonathan selfishly asks Scott questions about building a business and about leadership, because those are the ones most relevant to Jonathan’s current role as a CEO. But he does throw in a product question at the end. So there’s at least one question for everyone! 😝\r\n\r\nHere’s how the interview goes in broad strokes:\r\n\r\nJonathan _gushes_ over [Scott Belsky](https://medium.com/u/f8025419d9c8). 😍\r\n\r\nScott Belsky on building Behance. 👷‍\r\n\r\nHow to keep people motivated. EMPATHY! 😌\r\n\r\nThe line between life and work. 💼\r\n\r\nThe lows &amp; highs of creating a business &amp; the importance of self-awareness during both. 📈\r\n\r\nWhat do you do when you get the feeling that it’s not going to work out? When do you know when to quit? It’s all about conviction. 🤓\r\n\r\nHow to deal with distractions? 💩\r\n\r\nWho _shouldn’t_ read the Messy Middle? 🛑 📖\r\n\r\nWhat’s more important, _ideas_ or _execution_? ✨\r\n\r\nA book within a book! 🧐\r\n\r\nHow people are _lazy_, _vain_, and _selfish_. 😬\r\n\r\nCheck out, _nay_, GO BUY the AJ&amp;Smart + Jake Knapp Official Design Sprint Master-Class: [ajsmart.com/masterclass](https://ajsmart.com/masterclass) 💰\r\n\r\n## Links:\r\n\r\n[ScottBelsky.com](http://www.scottbelsky.com/)\r\n\r\n[Scott Belsky on Twitter](https://twitter.com/scottbelsky)\r\n\r\n[Scott Belsky on Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/scottbelsky/)\r\n\r\n[**BOOK:** Making Ideas Happen by Scott Belsky](https://www.amazon.com/Making-Ideas-Happen-Overcoming-Obstacles/dp/1591844118/)\r\n\r\n[**BOOK:** The Messy Middle by Scott Belsky](https://www.amazon.com/Messy-Middle-Finding-Through-Hardest/dp/0735218072)\r\n\r\n[99u.com](https://99u.adobe.com/)\r\n\r\n[Behance.net](https://www.behance.net/)\r\n\r\n[AskGaryVee 290: Scott Belsky on Starting Behance, Perseverance in Business, &amp; the “Messy Middle”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ue0lst-vRM)\r\n\r\n[The Tim Ferriss Show: Scott Belsky — How to Conquer the Messy Middle (#336)](https://tim.blog/2018/09/13/scott-belsky/)\r\n\r\n[The Real Journey image](https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*p6sfo-5PbrssU7I7-PjZHA.png)\r\n\r\n[Action Method: A Flexible and Intuitive Project Management System | 2008 | TechCrunch](https://techcrunch.com/2008/10/21/action-method-a-flexible-and-intuitive-task-management-system/?guccounter=1)\r\n\r\n[**BOOK:** Anything You Want by Derek Sivers](https://www.amazon.com/Anything-You-Want-Lessons-Entrepreneur/dp/1591848261)\r\n\r\n## **Your Hosts:**\r\n* Follow Jake Knapp on Twitter: [@jakek](https://twitter.com/jakek)\r\n* Follow Jonathan Courtney on Instagram or Twitter: [@jicecream](https://www.instagram.com/jicecream/)\r\n* Write into the podcast: [pbc@ajsmart.com](mailto:pbc@ajsmart.com)\r\n* Podcast editing by Jason Sanderson: [PodcastTech.com](https://PodcastTech.com)\r\n\r\nShow Notes (fan made by [@amrkhalifeh](https://www.instagram.com/amrkhalifeh/)): https://medium.com/product-breakfast-club-links-unofficial"}