{"href":"https://api.simplecast.com/oembed?url=https%3A%2F%2Fthe-computer-room.simplecast.com%2Fepisodes%2Fdiscord-in-the-dark-forest-W_JHYa40","width":444,"version":"1.0","type":"rich","title":"Discord in the Dark Forest ft. Joshua Citarella","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_url":"https://image.simplecastcdn.com/images/af804f6d-85eb-4789-9216-3cffd1abc7c6/b94bf4f8-6691-4fc5-aa9c-8ca20a2428ca/beige-minimalist-lifestyle-podcast-cover-1.jpg","thumbnail_height":300,"provider_url":"https://simplecast.com","provider_name":"Simplecast","html":"<iframe src=\"https://player.simplecast.com/d199bde0-ba85-45c8-95fe-4a604b3400e4\" height=\"200\" width=\"100%\" title=\"Discord in the Dark Forest ft. Joshua Citarella\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"></iframe>","height":200,"description":"Joshua Citarella is an artist and researcher whose work focuses on the fringe political groups developing in cyberspace. I love his work, partially because it’s a reminder to me that there’s more to Internet politics than the Dissident Right. In fact, talking to Joshua was  good reminder in general of the vastness of cyberspace. For me, I always think of it through the lenses of Twitter, Tumblr, and TikTok. Certain podcasts. Journalists. \n\nBut there’s a whole other ecosystem on YouTube, Twitch, and Instagram. \n\nIt got me thinking about two things: Fans don’t always mean influence, and influence doesn’t always mean fans. Influence and fans don’t always mean you’ll be familiar with either group. \n\nWe talked about a lot, more than just the terrain of online life. I hope you enjoy this conversation as much I did. \n\nTheme: The Robots by KraftworkProduced by Will Kraus "}