{"href":"https://api.simplecast.com/oembed?url=https%3A%2F%2Fthe-ezra-klein-show.simplecast.com%2Fepisodes%2Fben-shapiro-MO0mQg_g","width":444,"version":"1.0","type":"rich","title":"We Are Going to Have to Live Here With Each Other","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_url":"https://image.simplecastcdn.com/images/47913775-afcf-4643-935f-31f1dcc86cfb/6a0e5e15-04a3-47c8-9c50-2f2fe8e84437/teks-album-20art-3000px.jpg","thumbnail_height":300,"provider_url":"https://simplecast.com","provider_name":"Simplecast","html":"<iframe src=\"https://player.simplecast.com/f74fb654-7dcd-4906-9a52-35a52719dd77\" height=\"200\" width=\"100%\" title=\"We Are Going to Have to Live Here With Each Other\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"></iframe>","height":200,"description":"This is an episode in two parts. First, my thoughts on Charlie Kirk’s murder, now that I’ve had a few days to process it, and to see the unfolding reactions and responses on both sides. Then a conversation with Ben Shapiro — one that was recorded shortly before Kirk’s assassination, but that has a different significance after it.\n\nThis episode contains strong language.\n\nMentioned:\n\n“Charlie Kirk Was Practicing Politics the Right Way” by Ezra Klein\n\nDominion by Tom Holland\n\n“What J.D. Vance Believes” by Ross Douthat\n\nBook Recommendations:\n\nSuperabundance by Marian Tupy and Gale Pooley\n\nDemocracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville \n\nThe Constitution of Liberty by F.A. Hayek\n\nThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.\n\nYou can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html\n\nThis episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin and Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin, Jack McCordick, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Carole Sabouraud, Sonia Herrero and Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser."}