{"href":"https://api.simplecast.com/oembed?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.undiplomaticpodcast.com%2Fepisodes%2F163-3tdbH1rs","width":444,"version":"1.0","type":"rich","title":"Part I: Classical Realism Versus International Relations, Interview w/ Jonathan Kirshner | Ep. 163","thumbnail_width":300,"thumbnail_url":"https://image.simplecastcdn.com/images/d980016a-09a3-4544-a26a-b4f94e2fd242/e0895f71-d609-49d2-b568-57ef0fe31b78/square-20podcast-20cover.jpg","thumbnail_height":300,"provider_url":"https://simplecast.com","provider_name":"Simplecast","html":"<iframe src=\"https://player.simplecast.com/3ac72615-1bba-4109-9ab1-90fb37fd08bf\" height=\"200\" width=\"100%\" title=\"Part I: Classical Realism Versus International Relations, Interview w/ Jonathan Kirshner | Ep. 163\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"></iframe>","height":200,"description":"Part I of my two-part conversation with Jonathan Kirshner about his new book, An Unwritten Future: Realism, Uncertainty, and World Politics. Kirshner explains why classical realism is a misunderstood intellectual tradition. We get into: Why realism recruits dead people into their intellectual tradition; what we can learn from Thucydides, and why an armchair understanding of the Peloponnesian War does more harm than good; why realist pessimism is a self-fulfilling prophecy; why international relations has somewhat lost its way; how we should think about the “national interest\"; and distinctions between realist and progressive political economy."}